03/17/16 at 12:14 am #73777
greetings…earthlings. i come in peace. i’m a bonafide grease monkey. i jumped out the womb with a ratchet in one hand and a bottle of formula in the other. i run a small auto repair shop in California…i’ve always had a passion for…no, a deep desire to…no, i’ve been craving the sense of liberation one gets when riding on an open highway…(which coincidently is only open between 2am and 4am, the rest of the time they’re parking lots.) so, some of the perks of being mechanically inclined is finding those hidden gems that are tucked away in the back of someone property, or in this case, in the back of a one car garage of a townhouse, blocked by a Pontiac Fiero. Yes they still exist. this one had a Ferrari body kit on it. an eyesore. what i found was a 1989 CBR600f (white with silver stripes: will upload a photo once i get the hang of how this website crops pictures:) with only 6k miles on it. I KNOW RIGHT??? I’m really looking forward to meeting new friends, fellow riders, and mentors as i begin my journey on two wheels. can’t wait to meet you all.03/17/16 at 12:30 am #73778
Greetingd fellow California grease monkey. That is a great find. Does it run?03/17/16 at 1:54 am #73779
@74demon: lol no. this is one reason why i am here. 1st off: gas tank needs cleaning. i shook out about an ounce of rust i guess. bike won’t go into neutral and i have no spark. yay. haha. it’s all good though… i nearly stole is as payment for a fuel pump on a domestic vehicle. I also found half of what appears to be a round plastic grommet from behind the chain guard cover…or where the sprocket sits. any idea what that could be?03/17/16 at 6:00 am #73781
Sounds like a classic bike! Neeeed pics yes please
03/17/16 at 1:13 pm #73798
@foreigninvasion89 Rust in the tank is a pain in the ass. It only takes a tiny spec to create havoc in the carbs. Sounds like it has been sitting for a while, you have some work ahead of you for sure.
Can’t tell you what the grommet is without seeing it.
Is this your first bike?
Where in California are you?03/17/16 at 3:31 pm #73804
@foreigninvasion89 welcome aboard! Nice find and look forward to seeing your progress. Only 6k miles?!?!? Whoa now that’s amazing!
I found my first cbr in almost the same way. I was actually looking at a 92′ Ducati 750SS that needed the engine put back together. I notice a dust covered 95′ F3 and pulled it out from the back of his shop. It started up after putting a new battery in it and $1000 later, I took her home. My first street bike and it was a Honda with 180k on her. A full service and she purred another 70k before I sold it. I have been a cbr fan ever since and never had a problem with it or my RR. In between I bought a 2000 F4 with a ton of issues. Needed new wire harness, broken engine case at the front sproket cover(no leaks) and bent levers. I spent $150 and a few weekends to get it running but then needed a stator and decided to by my RR at a ridiculously low price. Sold my F4 and have been on the 04′ ever since. I LOVE HONDA and really want another F series as they are much more comfortable for cruises. I love my RR but my ars gets sore from the brick seat and need to upgrade.
Sorry for the life story eating up your post just wanted to share with you. Being the barn find story and all. Enjoy the forum, join in all the activities and games. Let us know if you need anything or just need any questions answered.
Also post pics! We’re huge bike porn aficionados here and love some eye candy. I’d love to see your03/17/16 at 9:28 pm #73818
94f2-08rrRegistered MemberRideCBR GuruPoints: 18,375
Welcome @foreigninvasion89. I am sure I speak for all of us when I say I look forward to seeing this bike and following along with your rebuild.03/18/16 at 1:09 am #73826
Thanks for the warm welcome, riders.
@74demon: according to the original owner, he parked it in 1991, leaving it with low miles and a half tank of gas. after diving deeper, i’ve found that vermin may have called this bike their playground for sometime… luckily, all my wires are still in good shape. The tank however…kills me to think that i might have to ruin the original paint to cure the inside of the tank. Is there something i can do myself to prevent a chemical bath and possible paint removal? and yes… 1st bike, and i’m anxiously anticipating my first ride. Went helmet shopping today. haha. Im in Orange County. where you at, grease monkey?
@theredrocket: yo, don’t be sorry. your barn or shop find, is awesome. I have no idea what you’re talking about…bikes, to me, at this point in time, are as unfamiliar as the female species. however, i think i will have more luck understanding bikes than women. (if any woman reads this, i mean no offense, it’s more of a compliment. guys are dumb) we only understand mechanical things. speaking of things mechanical…a stator…is that what provides spark to my engine? I tried starter fluid into the carbs to see if it runs…i get no ignition? could the stator be my culprit? Thanks for sharing your story. Look forward to knowing you. And yes… i will upload some eye candy soon.
@94f2-08rr: seems like i found myself a unicorn, huh? thanks for the welcome. I have to admit, i did sign up for another CBR forum a few weeks ago…i’m still waiting for an approval to speak to members. I’m sure glad they lagged. else i wouldn’t have found this forum.
I have no spark.
sometimes i get no ignition, then i do.
I noticed my headlight work…and then not work.
spark plugs are fouled.
neutral is hard to locate…can’t be that hard, can it?
gas tank is rusted, oh and i had to drill the gas cap off…tumblers were frozen.
and theres grease all over the rear wheel that is hard to get off.
I’ll keep you all posted. with photos…of course.
deuces, and ride safe.
p.s. : @saturnv Am i stoked or what?03/18/16 at 6:54 am #73830
@foreigninvasion89 I even suffered fuel tank rust on my old bike (Yamaha Diversion ’97) after it had been left standing around for a few months (but I guess it must’ve been happening for a long time without me knowing – they actually rust from the INSIDE – believe it or not – due to water in the fuel)
I tried the 3 or four step process to clean and reseal the tank which may work for small holes but in the end mine was too bad and had to buy another gas tank on ebay – luckily I found one that was a perfect match!
I’d advise you to assess the damage before you attempt sealing process or you’ll waste a lot of cash on that before having to replace the tank anyway if it’s unrepairable (like I did lol).
found a US site for ya, but I used a company called Frost Auto which maybe just here in the UK. Looks like the same process though.
Tim03/18/16 at 7:08 am #73831
Oh yeah and another bit of advice – use a fuel (gas) conditioner like Seafoam if you’re leaving bikes (or any vehicle) standing around unused for any prolonged period (e.g. months) it cleans the tanks and carbs / injectors, etc. and prevents the fuel going off or corroding the tank. When the fuel goes off it basically forms waxy deposits which gums up vital parts like carburettor float bowls and jets, causing no end of problems such as not starting, uneven idling etc. as I’m sure the other guys have told you!
When you’ve had to strip down the bike and thoroughly clean and refurbish a set of carbs once (like I did) you won’t wanna do it again believe me… But if you need to then search thru the past articles on this forum because there are some excellent ones to help you do just that – without them I wouldn’t have had a clue lol.03/18/16 at 8:29 am #73832
@foreigninvasion89 I’m in Orange county also, the southern part near Ortega highway.
There’s a guy in lake forest that does gas tank and radiator repair. If you don’t find a solution, I can give you his number.03/18/16 at 5:35 pm #73845
roqetRegistered MemberRideCBR AddictPoints: 8,44903/19/16 at 1:35 am #73853
Today was a chill day. A cool 69 degrees, slight onshore breeze, the sun was in the right spot. a good time to finally wipe down this freedom machine. show it a bit of love after all the years it’s been neglected. grabbed a rag, and some window cleaner, and went to town. made me wish it was alive. roaring with hunger for the open road. but instead, it’s about 500 pounds of metal, steel, and fluids, oh and a s”t load of grime and grease. but i did it. and along the way, i found all of the hidden blemishes. I also got some “eye candy” for all y’alls eyes.
@saturnv; thanks for that info. are you telling me that i could use this stuff in the tank and not harm the paint? that would be some great news. . . but if there is a chance that i could ruin the paint scheme, then, ya…I’ll take that guys number in Lake Forest @74demon. i’ve learned from my years of experience in the auto repair world…”let the professionals handle it.”
Ortega highway would be a good ride through. i remember thinking that the last time i went to Temecula from Mission Viejo.
So, i am thinking that the carbs are going to be a problem. after dumping out all the fuel, i removed the fuel valve and found that the tank fuel filter had deteriorated and choked up the fuel valve with all that rust. I have a feeling that this bike and i are going to know one another really well, soon enough.
Hey, @roqet…what’s up. will you show me how to wheelie? haha.
now, let me figure out how to attach photos….
changed my profile photo: few of my other projects too.03/19/16 at 2:41 am #73865
cbr-f2Registered MemberRideCBR GuruPoints: 25,515
Hello and welcome…03/19/16 at 3:30 am #73866
Wow that’s a beautiful machine mate! Love the odo with the red markings and above all the MILEAGE lol.
The fuel tank treatment process won’t damage the exterior paintwork (unless you’re careless and don’t follow the instructions properly!) It works from the inside – check out one of the YouTube videos to see what I mean…
But take @74demon up on his advice first – always good to find a local place who specialize in that type of work; that way you can get their opinion on how bad the damage is – if it’s just tiny perforations (e.g. pinhole size) then the treatment will seal it pretty good. If it’s large holes say 1/4 inch or more then maybe they can weld a new section in but obviously make sure you’ve washed out any gas residues and rinsed with loads of water before any naked flames (welding torches) are nearby – don’t wanna hear any explosions in Orange County on my worldwide news :-(
Exhaust manifold downpipes look a bit rusty but maybe they’ll clean up – hopefully not rotted thru… Put a stainless steel set on lol.
Good luck!03/19/16 at 4:48 pm #73908
adminRegistered MemberRideCBR GuruPoints: 127,297
Hey @foreigninvasion89 – Welcome to the forum. Glad you found us. Hope you get your bike issues sorted out and back to riding again. I can’t wait to break out my baby for the season.03/19/16 at 5:56 pm #73912
@foreigninvasion89 I do Ortega almost every day. It can be a great ride if you catch it at the right time, otherwise its pretty crowded with dumb drivers. It does lead to some really great roads on the other side of the mountain that must be ridden when Santiago and trabuco just aren’t enough.
Am I correct to think that you shop is in mission Viejo? I’m in aliso. Message me the namr of your place. I’ve been around for a long time and know a lot of people in the shop world. I could already know you.03/19/16 at 6:50 pm #73913
@foreigninvasion89 You should start a build thread. Your project is perfect for that, plus you can keep track of your progress.
You first need to determin the system voltage. With a multimeter touch your battery posts to confirm the voltage is above 12. It should be 12.3v to low 13’s. In about shell, the stator puts out AC current and sends it to the regulator/rectifier where it is converted to DC current and also regulated to a manageable voltage for charging your battery. If you don’t have 12+ volts, then there is a charging problem. First is the battery new or properly charged? If yes, then that’s when diagnosing which part is the problem.03/19/16 at 6:52 pm #7391703/19/16 at 9:52 pm #73921
@cbr-f2: thanks…im here seeking knowledge.03/19/16 at 10:31 pm #73924
@saturnv: it is wicked, and i’m beginning to grasp the idea that i found a pretty clean classic. except i’m crossing fingers that there isn’t any real engine damage. thanks for that info on the fuel tank treatment. i’m gonna check that out. first i gotta drill out the gas cap…go figure. called over a locksmith to open the tank, key wasn’t resting past the shoulder. like the last tumbler was stuck. the locksmith looked up at me and said “i quit. i can’t pick this lock. you gotta drill it.” go figure. First real cost: gas cap -$128.00 (if i wanna keep it OG.) don’t worry, no need to take cover. I’m definitely capable of reducing risk of explosions. the only thing on the news you’ll hear about California is about the weather we had today. Or any day for that matter.
@admin: Sweet, thanks for the high five!! so cool. haha. i look forward to learning as much as i can from you CBR gurus. p.s. still can’t log in. Site keeps telling me that i don’t know who i am. haha.
@74demon: so when is the right time to do ortega? or is that an insider secret. nah, my shop isn’t in mission viejo…i used to know a girl out there. we’d take ortega to temecula. the road was the best part of those few trips we took. tough crowd.
@theredrocket: first thing i did was replace the battery. and the battery is now 8 days old. i’m getting 12+ with tester. haven’t tried cranking the bike…agian. gotta do a mini tear down to make sure i am clear of any internal issues. oil my cylinders, change oil and filter. new plugs. I’m pretty sure i’m getting no fire in the chambers. so might have a coil or ignition problem. and fuel delivery…ahhh… fuel tanks rusted. gotta mind that mini problem right there before i double dip my chip in that salsa. by the way…thanks for the flash cards. at first i was distracted, i thought it was a taco bell commercial or something like that, until i noticed the story behind the pictures. very visually stunning. like george lucas. wow.
haha. hold on let me pay it forward. it’s 7:26pm….7:29pm done.
haha…ive got training wheels… can i also put a bell on my handlebars??03/20/16 at 12:18 am #7392703/20/16 at 6:26 am #73928
@foreigninvasion89 yours is half the mileage of my F3 when I bought her and yours is 8 years older lol
I always use WD40 in siezed locks (as well as screws, bolts etc) – it’s a miracle fluid IMHO as long as you leave it a few hours to soak in and work it’s magic; and it’s from San Diego apparently!
Glad things are progressing well anyway keep us updated…03/20/16 at 3:03 pm #73939
@theredrocket: dude…tassels would be so cool. i’m down for that cause.
@saturnv: tried something like WD40, it’s actually a better lubricant than NASA’s water displacement 40th version of the formula. Simply called “Penetrating Oil.” i let it sit for a few days, spraying every few hours. it was seized. done. the previous owner lived blocks away from the ocean, in Seal Beach. And the bike was covered with a mattress cover. explaining all the rust that has built up on this machine. it’s all good. i shouldn’t complain. i will restore it back to its glory days. thanks for all the help so far and info. never met a bunch of friendlies all in one place. Thanks again fellas…and ladies, if there are any amongst you all.
have a chill Sunday.
p.s. i’m looking for a repair manual… anyone know of anything online and possibly free?03/20/16 at 8:05 pm #73942
This is a link to a scanned manual I found for your model; it’s a European one but you may find a better one by googling from your location…
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_145851841140113&key=f77545afa12d145e2404f1df2d3d61ec&libId=im182gbr01000b3x000DA3ujcu7n3&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcbrforum.com%2Fforum%2Fcbr-600f-15%2Fclymer-manufacturer-manual-1989-cbr600-27689%2F&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stephygee.com%2F600FManual.zip&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2F&title=Clymer%2Fmanufacturer%20manual%20for%201989%20CBR600%20-%20CBR%20Forum%20-%20Enthusiast%20forums%20for%20Honda%20CBR%20Owners&txt=CBR%20600%20F1%20Manual03/20/16 at 9:15 pm #73945
lemarck234Registered MemberRideCBR RegularPoints: 2,305
From a new member, to a new member.. Welcome!
JeanLemarck - Survival of the Squiddest03/20/16 at 10:09 pm #73949
@saturnv: thanks for that link. that’s f**kin awesome. i was just about to ask you all if a Clymer or an Original Honda manual would be a better purchase. this is by far a better deal. thanks friend.
@lemarck234: man i’m so new, i still smell like fresh leather. haha. welcome aboard. these cats are cool. by the way: according to @theredrocket and @94f2-08rr, you are now obligated to buy all of us members a CBR care package of some sort along with the members favorite spirit. I like Jack Daniels.03/21/16 at 4:38 am #73954
No worries mate! Myself I always prefer to have a hardcopy of the book as like to have a reference manual (literally) to thumb thru as I’m doing a job – or deciding whether too! But they always end up covered in oily fingerprints lol. I got the Haynes manual for mine cos that’s what we always seem to use for cars over here. Always get one cheaper online (e.g. Amazon) but I don’t mind paying a few quid for something that I’ll keep for the life of the bike.
Dig what you said about JD but I’m a single malt Scotch whiskey kinda guy! So many to choose from in the UK – each with its own characteristic flavour and aroma – peaty, smoky, salty, creamy; you name it.
Unfortunately booze and bikes don’t mix so I wait until Saturday nite before indulging in the the drink! I need every ounce of concentration when I’m riding anyway – still haven’t mastered the art of cornering – came off on a bend this weekend but luckily not serious damage to either the F3 or rider. but it was after a couple of strong coffees so maybe even that was too much for my brain to handle lol. Out looking for paint and a new exhaust and mirror now03/21/16 at 10:20 am #73956
@saturnv: bro…I’m glad to hear you and your bike made it through that bend. no serious damage is a good day for sure. so what’s the trick at cornering?
i also would like a hard copy, makes it easier to thumb through instead of scrolling on a desktop. Our go to manual would be a CHILTON: but that’s hard to find. I’m probably going to get the Actual Honda Service Manual…keep it consistent.
Have you tried the JD Honey whiskey?? in a rocks glass: fill with ice, one part Honey Whiskey, top with lemonade. It almost tastes like a Moscow Mule. Refreshing adult beverage at a Sunday afternoon barbecue.
Today’s TO-DO LIST: DRILL THE GAS CAP OPEN!!!
Have a great week: RIDE SAFE.03/21/16 at 10:54 am #73957
The trick to cornering? There is no “trick”, only technique. This is a good discussion for a different thread. But…. in short it takes confidence, good body position, throttle control, and a decent line through the corner. Remember, these bikes are designed to go through turns very quickly. If it doesn’t make it, it’s probably something you did to keep it from achieving its goal of doing so.
When guys run a corner wide and off the road, they usually blame it on speed or tires. Wrong! In most cases its target fixation and survival reaction that foul things up. If you look through the line, that’s where you will go. If you look at the bushes off the road and are thinking “Oh shit, i’m going too fast and won’t make this turn”, guess where you will go as you mash the brakes…. If there is something in the road that you need to avoid, you will hit it because you’re looking at it. That’s Target fixation.
@foreigninvasion89, get that thing going and I will be happy to show you a few things. Until then…. Get the book “twist of the wrist” by Keith Code. There is movie version of it on youtube It’s cheesy, but the info is priceless.
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