Programming Spare Keys on the HISS System

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  • #75456
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    Just obtained 2 spare keys for my CBF1000 and successfully copied and registered them on the ECU – really couldn’t believe quite how simple the whole process was! Apparently some Honda dealers are charging 1 hour’s labour to do a job that ‘requires specialist knowledge & parts’ – well that specialist knowledge is freely available to anyone who can watch a YouTube video and as for the ‘special tool / parts’ it’s 2 wires, terminal clips, a 100 ohm resistor and 2 crimp terminals – bet that Honda charge a lot for that too…
    Oh and it took me a few minutes to do the job (plus a few minutes to make the cable assembly).

    Ironically the only scary part was a mechanical issue – I realised that the locksmith hadn’t copied the keys correctly 1st time and neither would turn in the ignition lock – took the bike back and parked outside 2nd time around just to make sure he got it right that time lol.

    #75485
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    HISS, something I wish they would bring to the US

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    I never understood their policy on that – is motorcycle theft not such a big issue in USA then??

    I believe they have it in Australia…

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    I also was under the asumption that HISS keys were a pain in the arse, I recenly spoke to a locksmith that charges 60 PLN (27 USD) for cutting and programming the HISS key… I was in complete shock, at the stealership they charge 600 PLN (270 USD)

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    Depends on your point of view I suppose – yes compared with getting a spare key for my F3 which only cost me £10* for the Honda blank then £2 for locksmith to copy the key it is more expense and hassle – cost me £25 for each blank, £2 at locksmith and pennies to make my own ‘ghetto programming cable’ which to buy would cost at least £25 on Ebay… Of course the dealers rub their hands together in glee at the chance of ripping people off with something like this – charging an hours labour (or more) for a job that takes literally MINUTES is exploitation and daylight robbery! Buying a used bike with only 1 key, getting a spare sorted (I did 2 just in case!) was a no-brainer for me cos if you lose the only key then I think the only option is to get a new ECU…

    On the positive side though it’s an effective immobiliser for the above reason – impossible to start without the right key or a new ECU!

    *exchange rate used to be 5 zloty to £1 but guess you know that already lol

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    they’ve got huge advantages, I’m not complaining about the technology, I’m complaining about the dealerships that charge an arm and a leg for everything.

    I asked my locksmith to make me a key for my passenger helmet lock, cost me 30 PLN with 2 keys ;)

    Alan

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    Hi Alan,

    Yes well the dealerships love to rip people off and as always they count on ignorance of the vehicle owners who don’t realise they can ‘do it themselves’ for a fraction of the cost and not much technical difficulty… That’s where these forums are so useful; someone usually able to offer great advice on doing the job ouselves without asking the dealers!

    You’ve got a good locksmith there (as I do over here too) – I probably could have got my CBR key spare done a lot cheaper without buying the Honda blank first cos I bet my guy would have had a suitable blank anyway.

    Even with the HISS system though, if I just wanted a plain key to unlock the seat of fuel filler cap for example, I could get a standard blank (without the chip) cut but not much point really.

    By the way if you think the bike dealers charge a lot they’re not as bad as CAR dealers; Had to get a spare remote key for my BMW and that cost £150 for the key – but thankfully they didn’t charge any extra for programming it into the ECU (Phew!!)

    Tim

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    Oh i know mate, the live on ripping people off. I sort of understand their point of view and their need to charge so much…

    1 – Warranty, if something breaks, they have to cover it and make nill
    2 – they have more overhead costs
    3 – they use (usually) original OEM parts
    4 – You pay for their knowledge and exp. (also sort of, depends on the place and the mechanic)

    Yes, I have a great locksmith, he was going to match the tumblers in the helmet lock to my ignition, but I didn’t mind having two keys, so said atm no need.

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    There was a joke I saw on LinkedIn recently which kind of illustrates that point (about expert knowledge and experience):-

    A ship engine failed and no one could fix it. Then they brought in a chap with 40 yrs. on the job. He inspected the engine very carefully, top to bottom. After looking things over, the guy reached into his bag and pulled out a small hammer. He gently tapped something. Instantly, the engine lurched into life. The engine was fixed! 7 Days later the owners got his bill for 10k. ‘What?!’ the owners said ‘You hardly did anything. Send us an itemized bill. ”

    the reply simply said Tapping with a hammer. £2
    Knowing where to tap? £9,998

    Don’t Ever Underestimate Experience

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    That was good!

    #75755
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    I agree with the hammer as a valuable repair tool – sadly I don’t have the expertise to know exactly where to aim the blows but that doesn’t stop me from having a go LOL

    #75770
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    Haha, I was at my buds house to pick up my bike and he was programming a HISS key. Stupid simple, assuming you know how to count to 5

    #75771
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    Yes that’s true but not what Honda dealers would have you believe lol

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